About 2 months ago (around September-October 2008), I ordered a hho water vehicles kit from one popular hho kit distributor claiming to guarantee an increase in gas savings for my vehicle. When I received the shipment, I knew right away that the vendor has limited knowledge of engine computer electronics because the hho components he sent me were not matched with what I requested for my vehicle (no offense intended to the vendor but he was actually a nice guy and I do not think he meant any harm to me or anybody). At that time my first thought was hho water scam but ignored it and followed it up by using my vehicle’s wiring diagram. To cut it short, I ended up returning the kit and I thought about waiting for some more hho mpg test results in Utube and hho forums before I commit myself.

This hho water scam controversy is really difficult to comprehend since there are plenty of contradictory and solid arguments on both sides of the spectrum. In the final analysis, the main question that keeps popping up is: why does the big auto makers have not taken any effort to jump into this HHO water vehicles question? what’s holding them up since a simple solution like this would simply create big sales which they need right now in time of recession? For those of you who are still in the fence, allow me to use this thread from a forum I saw last night:

http://forums.alternative-energy-news.info/topic/180

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This hho water vehicles forum (reply) above was posted 2 weeks ago (see the bottom thread of the forum).

This forum further reinforced my previous experience with propane (LPG) engines when I first saw them in early 80s. It caused a lot of grief when applied on regular gas engines that were blowing up because of the excessive combustion heat. Later, with cylinder valve seats modified and other engine upgrades (modified ignition timing and better cooling system), actual propane engine savings were finally achieved and later worked. However, although these hho water scam accusations might not be true, we are still faced with the enormous heat produced by the explosive hho gas which can affect the engine combustion components. This I think is the main problem that has to be solved before this device can actually be certified.

In fairness to those people who are promoting this product, I am inclined to believe that this product works but whether the engine will last is a big question. I have seen on a few forums where a successful installation gained a lot of mileage but later ended with the engine blowing up or usually silent after they did the successful engine hho modification. As for me, more careful analysis is required and I doubt if this is something an average person can handle considering the complexity involved. We need more research on how the combustion parts will re-act such as those weak engine elements like aluminum pistons and piston rings under high temperature and volatile conditions. Do we need a bigger radiator cooling capacity like those used on propane engines? On the other hand, there seems to be more positive results when these hho water kits are applied to big diesel engines. Is it because of their tough diesel engine constructions? In reality, I need more data and actual direct on-hand experiment before I can give my own final verdict if this hho water scam is true or not.

To anybody out there who might be prejudiced on what I am saying right now, please consider this: If you have anything good to say on either side of this hho water scam controversy, I would welcome your comments (see below) for everybody to see. I thought I owe this much to both sides so we can help resolve this question. For my part, I will continue to search the Internet not merely to prove the validity of each side but to give the merits of each arguments as I see it.

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For anybody who are still resolve to install this in your vehicle, ATS can help you do it. However, let me warn you that you doing it on your own risk. For precaution, please experiment it on an older vehicle. Happy Holidays!

Richard

Cheap public train is a better choice if you want to travel quickly from one placeto another. This holds true especially if the destination you plan on going is very far away. The reality that air travel is getting more and more clogged up and plane tickets are also getting increasingly costly, trains are what people are now considering as an alternative way of traveling from one location to another. It is inexpensive, quicker than public buses and cars, and trains today are very dependable that it seldom breaks down.

Since more and more people are now taking the cheap public train as a way to commute, lots of countries are now having a look at bullet trains and are now starting to fund researches and explorations for new breeds of trains that is capable to go quicker, that is more dependable and can offer inexpensive transportation and bullet train seems to be the answer.

Bullet train is widely popular in countries like China and Japan including France that are using this type of trains outfitted with the most advanced engineering technology like the Maglev trains. Maglev is a term which represents magnetic levitation. This new type of train essentially has the same concept like the conventional train: it consists of tracks in addition to cars that accommodate passengers but in this Maglev system, the cars won’t be contacting the tracks. As a matter of fact, the train cars won’t have any wheels or moving parts. The principal theory of Maglev is to use magnetic polarization to raise the cars off the tracks and thrust them onwards. The same theory is also utilized for deceleration or stopping the train.

Because there will be no friction between the tracks and the cars, bullet train like this go at a much faster speed. In fact, it can reach over 450 km an hour without any problem. Try to imagine riding one from New York to Chicago? Though it won’t be as quick as the airplanes, you will arrive at your destination at a very fast rate. And since it has no friction or moving parts, you will have a smooth ride. And since it does not consume gas, this means no greenhouse effects. In the end, this is actually a cheap public train that not only save you a lot of money on gas, but also prevent polluting our environment.

In the long run, a cheap public train like this will let you enjoy the great scenery whenever you travel by train. Maglev bullet trains are definitely the train of the future. With the rate of development of this Maglev technology, soon or later, we it will have a cheap public train that can actually travel quicker than an airplane! As a matter of fact, this bullet train has the potential to reach the speed of sound.

Finally, if you ever see Maglev bullet trains traveling from one city to another, don’t be surprised if people prefer this as their cheap public train. This means the ability to travel to any destinations because it the best economical way of public transportation. And when this happens, this will be the death of private transportation but to the benefit of the most people around the world.

This type of mass sensor is called vane type and it only measures the air volume. To do an accurate mass sensor testing, it has to include the air temperature and pressure of the incoming air. When added, it helps improved better engine performance. A second type of mass sensor has both temperature and pressure included and it is called a “hot wire” mass sensor. It is characterized by having a wire elements which comes in contact with the passing intake air.

In this 2nd type of mass sensor, the wire itself is monitored for changes in wire resistance while being exposed to passing air. More air passing means cooler wire resistance and vice versa. This change is measured by the engine computer which inturn could calculate the rate of fuel flow for the fuel injectors. Please note that on the first vane type mass sensor, the movement of the linkage is measured by voltage. And in some hot wire mass sensor, voltage measurements are also applied on certain engine models.

When mass sensor testing is done on these types of mass sensor, all you have to do is measure the voltage on each one of the wires going to the mass sensor while the engine is running. When done during idle, one of the wires being measured will have the value of the voltage change whenever the rpm is disturbed. So when you increase the rpm, the voltage reading should change which is reflected in the digital voltmeter measurements.

Problems comes when you have a “frequency” type mass sensor. On this sensor, the wire element itself has an oscillating frequency readings whenever the rpm is varied. Most of this “frequency” type mass sensor will have 5 or more wirings but instead of measuring the voltage, you need to measure the frequency which can be done by setting your voltmeter in the frequency range. Doing the mass sensor testing is almost the same as the voltage type wire mass sensor. To find the right wire, make sure you have the right mass sensor wiring diagram.

Caution:

Before buying a hho mass sensor adapter for your hho engine, make sure you ask the hho vendor if the mass sensor they are selling will work on voltage or frequency mass sensor settings. Otherwise, the mass sensor adapter will not work on your hho engine.

To increase gas mileage using hho, it’s basically trial and error per vehicle. One of the first things you need to think about is the type of gas that is being used. If you have a vehicle that runs on diesel, it won’t get the same benefits as one that runs on unleaded. If you just bought a 2008, you won’t get the same results as a 1995. You get the idea. Eventually you may be able to get the same benefits, but for now, it’s a long way off.

There are a few things you will want to try in the beginning that will not only increase gas mileage using hho, but also change the feel of your car as a whole. While using a hydrogen generator is based on just one fuel cell, there are some who are using as many as six. Granted, it’s not as simple as putting a six-pack of generators underneath the hood and away you go, but for larger vehicles it could be the next step down the road.

Then there are ways to increase gas mileage using hho gas intake or even decrease and keep track of it right while you’re driving down the road. You have gadgets that can have everything turn on and off from the turn of the ignition and so many others we really can’t list them all here. It’s just amazing how one little tweak can make an ordinary increase an unbelievable one in the matter of seconds.

When it’s all said and done, though, you should really let someone who is qualified to install a hydrogen generator. Even though most of the information out there suggests you can do it yourself, it’s still not recommended. However, it’s understandable if you want to try, which is why I am writing this for you anyways. No sense on doing it by yourself, right? Click here if you need a mechanic.

The efie problems are prevalent during start ups based on what hho people are reporting online. Unless they wait for the engine to warmed up, then the efie begins to work better. As a matter of fact, a few reports say that if you apply the efie right away upon start ups, your engine will run rough. So how do you avoid it? Two things: put a toggle switch to control when to apply it. In one efie enhancer developed just recently, I saw a Utube video where the efie maker put an automatic delay circuit inside the efie itself.

A detailed efie problems are shown being fixed here in this video. The efie gadget has both a power switch to turn it on and a built-in delay circuit so that the oxygen sensor will wait for your engine to warm up. This prevents accidental rough engine starting and failure for the computer to go in close loop. Finally, he allowed the efie user to adjust the oxygen sensor voltage for optimum use. This strategy should be applied during efie selection before using it in your hho gas saver.

Notes:

Again, this is not an endorsement by ATS of the video suggested efie product shown here. We are just exploring all the possibilities to give you the choices for solving these efie problems.

Beware of efie enhancers when applied to wide band oxygen sensors. Unlike the old type oxygen sensors, its voltage reading borders beyond 1 volt. This requires a different efie sensor enhancer setting altogether. Proper efie enhancer setting will be discussed later.

Whenever we talk about efie info, we are dealing with a efie device to alter the oxygen sensor reading during the time hho gas is mixed with your fuel. Problem here is after you got the hho generator installed, you have to figure out how to connect the oxygen sensor wirings? As you will see, oxygen sensor could have a single wire, 3 wires or even 5 wires or more. Our objective here is to find the oxygen sensor signal wire and that is what we need to connect to the efie device.

As longs as your gas engine has 4 wires or less, this efie info should be used: find which wire is the SIGNAL wire and that is the wire you are looking for. You can confirm that by using a volt meter. When your engine is running at idle (after 10-15 minutes of warmed up), that signal wire should read between 0.1volt to 0.9volt. And that reading is fluctuating all the time between those 2 voltage and they are not suppose to pass 1 volt.

It does not matter what color of wire it is as long as there is voltage oscillation, that is your SIGNAL wire. Shown here below is a Utube video showing a hho system being monitored by scangage and a efie device.

Here is video efie info 1
Here is video efie info 2

This test assumes that the efie is used on a 4 wire or less oxygen sensor. If the engine has 5 wires of more, the test for the oxygen sensor signal wire is completely different. For the meantime, before buying your efie device, make sure the efie vendor will guarantee to you that it will work on a 5 or more wires oxygen sensor if your engine has those types. Otherwise, ask for a complete instruction on how it is done. Failure to do this can make your efie useless. I hope this efie info has helped you.

Another Efie info TIP:

1.) The 5 or more wires oxygen sensor is called wide band oxygen sensor
2.) On some imports, wide band oxygen sensors could come in 4 wires. Make sure to check your vehicle dealer parts or ATS before connecting your efie device to your oxygen sensor.

A hydrogen fuel cell installation is basically the device that the water is held in where HHO gas can be extracted.  While we don’t want to bore you with all the technical talk here, it’s just a different name for these fuel savers you see on the Internet.  Is it a perfected system?  No.  Is it helping people saving money on gas?  Yes.  Can it do the same for you?  It can, but only if you have everything set up properly.

There are several reasons why you really need help in hydrogen fuel cell installation, but to keep this short we’ll just go over a couple.  When you read about fuel savers, one of the first things they tell you is that you don’t have to be “mechanic savvy.”  Okay, that may be true, but in order to get the results you want, it’s better to have someone who knows what they’re doing install it.  Wanna know why?

Besides the possible damage you can do to your vehicle, getting a real education on these fuel savers along the way is priceless.  Anyone who puts a hydrogen fuel cell underneath the hood of a car that is two years old is not going to see the same results as a ten-year-old car.  There are many different variables involved like the specific lengths of the HHO gas routing line, how you could end up raising engine temperatures.

This revolves around the EFIE.  If you don’t know what that is, you should when dealing with a hydrogen fuel cell installation.  It stands for Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer and this must be monitored at all times or your engine could be damaged by extreme temperatures.  Fuel savers are the wave of the future, that much is evident.  However, if you don’t know all the ins and outs you could end up creating more problems, which the fuel economy will be the least of your problems. Feel free to ask ATS if you have any questions or leave your comments below.

Some vehicle engines especially those with sizes ranging from 5.0L to 6.0L would need a bigger output of hho gas. With a typical stand alone generator, the number of plates used for electrolysis is pretty limited. So when it is operating, problems like generator cell overheating and insufficient hho gas flow can occur. To resolve this, here are a few hho tips being done by some vendors:

Adding a hho gas cooler to the system

Using a condenser coil infront of your radiator where the hho gas is made to circulate, it can lower the hho gas generator cell temperature. And from what I have seen from a hho vendor, he added a circulating pump to increase the gas flow rate. This helps resolve both issues of overheating and insufficient hho gas production.

With this feature, it can avoid the installation of multiple hho cells which require a bigger space in your engine compartment. With this hho tip, there is a downside though: the added cost of the condenser coil and circulating pump can easily jack up your over-all hho investment roughly by 30%-40%. However, if you look at a more stable hho production without worrying about overheating, this might be a good route to go. As per vendor findings after prolong testings, the maintenance cost of this set up is much smaller.

Another hho tips success story:

Shown in this utube video is hho gas generator using 3 hydrogen cells. As per the person who made the video, he gained 34% mpg gas savings. Please treat this with caution because it does not show exactly what electronic extensions were used like PWM, EFIE or MAP enhancer. Should you need any assistance on this, please contact ATS or leave a comment below regarding these hho tips.

Please check with your local city by-laws before performing any hho conversion in your vehicle engines. When in doubt, please check ATS recommended strategies in our previous blogs.

Actually, this 2006 Dodge Ram test was shown earlier on my previous blog but this one is more detailed. In this water gas mpg test video three different tests were shown showing the following results:

1.) Basic mpg test showing the mpg without HHO and EFIE to determine the baseline mpg.

2.) Mpg test showing the fuel savings with HHO only

3.) Mpg test showing both HHO and EFIE applied

I have also previously warned you not to use the EFIE enhancer without HHO because it can result in higher combustion temperature which can damage your engine. Also, again let me reiterate that in this water gas mpg test, you need to use a scangage so you can have a closer look on what is happening not only in the engine but to the mpg itself. Had he used a scangage on this, he could have determined the best water gas mpg setting right away.

Finally, I would like to thank this individual for showing us his video work so that people like us can have a successful HHO installation and save gas.

Notes:

The water gas mpg test shown here is just a demo and this can change anytime for further updates. Feel free to leave your comments and your HHO concerns with ATS.

Before doing any engine computer setting alteration in your vehicle, please check your local city by-laws or a licensed mechanic regarding this HHO installations. There are states/cities in US that will penalize you once you have altered your emission computer settings. To be safe, once a water gas mpg test is completed, get your exhaust gas analyzed with your local garage to certify your emissions.

After combustion happens inside your engine, the air and fuel mixture usually breaks down to different exhaust products. It consist mostly of toxic carbon gases but one of them is oxygen gas or 02. The presence of this 02 gas determines how lean the intake fuel mixture before combustion. This information is needed by your engine computer so it can calculate the best economy so you can save fuel. The leaner the mixture, the engine computer will command the injectors to push more fuel and vice versa. If you don’t use a hho electronic enhancer, the engine computer will push more fuel when the mixture is lean.

To save fuel, the computer has setting of fuel mixture at 14:1 ratio and the oxygen gas setting at the exhaust is set between 0.1v up to 0.9 volt. This setting will be totally screwed up when the HHO gases are introduced. It will force the oxygen setting to a much lower rate (between 0.1v to 0.4v) making the computer compensate by injecting more fuel. This is where a hho electronic enhancer like EFIE adjuster comes in which it automatically adds voltage to the oxygen sensor. The value added is equivalent to the amount created by the HHO gas to make it lean. This prevents your engine into open loop and thus fooling the computer settings.

This is why it is futile to install HHO gas savers in your engine especially if it has an engine computer. Based on most video testings that were done successfully, EFIE adjusters are an effective hho electronic enhancer tool for the HHO generator.

NOTES:

1.) EFIE gas savers can actually run by itself without the HHO generator and save fuel. However, there is the danger of your engine losing power when applied this way. Hesitation and stalling will likely occur followed by increase in engine temperature. When done in a prolong lenght of time, engine damage can also occur. You can see it HERE in this the HHO electronic enhancer video.

2.) Still others have tried by doing away with HHO electronic enhancer (EFIE) by wrapping the oxygen sensor with aluminum foil. The foil itself shields the exhaust heat again trying to fool the engine computer into calculating a RICH fuel condition.

Finally, if you have multiple oxygen sensors, always connect the ones in your exhaust manifolds BEFORE the catalytic converters (CAT). The ones AFTER the CAT are used to monitor the CAT efficiency. And if you have multiple oxygen sensor wiring connections, contact your vendor for the right wire or ATS can do this for you. To save fuel, this is the correct way to set up your HHO system.